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why does it not surprise me that you're

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wearing a black suit and a red tie I

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have to represent you know I in

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somewhere I just wear a t-shirt or a

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white shirt and you know it just it

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doesn't you want to see this you know I

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wear a cape

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but no I don't see the horn so well

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we'll get to the color black and in the

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significance of black but well what led

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us to you in case you're wondering is

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that we're doing like a lot of people an

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Epstein deep dive and we had a woman on

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named Sloan Bella who's pretty pretty

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big on YouTube and she's a psychic but

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she's also worked with a group called

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children of the night which helps

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children who've been abducted etc yeah

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and but anyway she posited that Epstein

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is Luciferian and by the way she speaks

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of luciferianism as you know not a very

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good thing as you can imagine and

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attributes some things to luciferianism

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that would not be very positive so

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anyway so Michael my producer and I were

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talking or like you know we need to

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speak to one of these people and

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understand what this is I just quickly

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read about it on Wikipedia and I'm sure

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you've probably read it to it there's

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not much on Wikipedia about it but

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frankly the way it described it I'm kind

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of like hmm that kind of sounds like me

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it is which is you know not having blind

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faith in things right relying on science

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and and your own using your own

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knowledge and and expanding your own

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knowledge and not just taking anything

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at face value so I liked all that part

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and I was raised Catholic but I'm not

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particularly religious at this point so

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anyway that really intrigued us to talk

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to you so we're thrilled that you were

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so we'll get to and we'll get to Epstein

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in a bit and get your thoughts on

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Epstein but I think let's give you first

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opportunity to kind of explain to people

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really what luciferianism is we also

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hopefully I'm pronouncing that right

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because I was saying Lou Safari in it

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before so correct yeah and I and I and I

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did get through about the first 80 pages

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of dragon of the two flames one of one

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of your books so thank you for for

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sending that to me so I've got some of

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the basics down but it did lead to a lot

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of questions that I had but I think the

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most obvious first question is who is

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Lucifer well Lucifer primarily is an

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archetype and when I mentioned this in

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Lucifer in philosophy it's important to

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start with the concept of symbols and

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archetypes because whether you're a

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theist or an atheist

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this is common ground and it relates to

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philosophy and it centers so Lucifer

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the time of the city of Huber it was

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recognized as the gah - tyre or at par

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he's a part of the bowel cycle which was

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a tale about about the storm god el and

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it's a myth associating with the weather

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but Lucifer tried to ascend the throne

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and could not he didn't want to do that

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so he fell to earth and became Lord of

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Venus as which in ancient Near East was

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the morning and evening star that

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represents a balance and Venus

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that now Lucifer also is recognized in

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talking about Lucifer and Satan being as

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one there they're not wrong in the sense

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and life all those things were kind of

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alien to what the early Christians

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to do for us and when you die you'll go

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star well that's for the terrible Isaiah

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characters similar to people they had a

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war god at times a conquering God he's

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syncretism and it comes from ancient

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of merge over time and with cultural

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integration and things like that

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the ideals of their their people so the

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so so again pre Bible pre Old Testament

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said they all had good and bad so it was

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a couple of his bad trees well those bad

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their enemies now the Hebrew God did

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priests about in the legend being killed

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into and having the passionate spirit to

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hurricane that devastates and then you

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renewal everything in this world has a

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sense of good but you have to rely on

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towards excellence but to to emulate a

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says he's a jealous God and there's a

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lot of you know supporting bloodshed in

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the Old Testament and that was kind of

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deities and one thing that really

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changed my path for me because I started

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in magic

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years ago was causing change in

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accordance with the will so if you take

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that and you look at all of the the

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historical references to Yahweh and I

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was very Christian and grandmother and

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there's this type of fear that is

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instilled in people from day one about

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what if I'm wrong what if there is a God

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after I die and what's going to happen

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God and if you look at the the books on

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the agent like ancient world from 1900

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judeo-christian perspective and 1919 50

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those in the 90s when I was getting into

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and studying I would find these books at

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the library or whatever before the

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internet and they were written from a

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Christian perspective so you get more of

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that fear like bowel as a demon and all

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this but later on when you read the

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archaeological studies the more

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professional academic stuff that they

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have you see that these Yahweh the

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origins he was just a storm God and he

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people who were like mercenaries that

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see that he was just a storm god he was

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honored in various places in the agent

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those once they took over that region

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then the monotheistic priesthood really

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took control and that never stopped and

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so that's why you see all of these

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deities turned into demons so they

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recognized that there was multiple gods

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stated that he was superior to all other

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gods yes and that was an emergency so

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originally it was we don't associate

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with other tribes outside of our realm

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of control because that would lead to

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dissension and rival groups setting out

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which they invariably had at different

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times so to understand those origins and

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how those steps emerged was very

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important in kind of liberating myself

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from that judeo-christian mindset and so

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just to be clear the the authors of the

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Old Testament you're saying that they

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actually believed that there was

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multiple gods but that their God was

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Yahweh yes there's evidence to that and

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the way that certain biblical phrases

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are written referring to like Hamas the

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God shamash where they call tomash your

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God and while y'all way is their God

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they recognize that there were others

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and at times they even talked about how

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Yahweh has some influence over other

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deities and other Pantheon's that are

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invading the area you see that with

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battle on you see that with the Senate

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chair from neo Assyria so yeah it was

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really about that and they were they

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weren't trying to push their religion on

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other people until the Romans until the

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Christianity started to emerge once that

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started then the Romans saw that as an

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excellent way to kind of control and

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unify the populace yeah you had to kind

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of change the narrative of the Old

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Testament didn't you because the Old

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Testament really was about the Jews and

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and including keeping your bloodline

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pure right yeah yeah so you know the

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early Christians they had to do the ones

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who came from you know all of the early

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ones didn't know Jesus they actually

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lived about a hundred years after so

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Peter Paul all those those guys that

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spread the

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new concept you know who knows what they

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were going off of and who knows you know

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really what they what influenced them to

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go that far but they did and it and it

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took hold yeah they took a what was a

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Jewish religion and a Jewish God and

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turned it into something that could be

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expanded beyond Judaism right yeah

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absolutely and I and you know it wasn't

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I don't think it was meant you become a

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religion of a state in the sense that it

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did because then the Catholic Church

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made it their own and so on that's the

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nature of humanity I think well it's

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also very questionable I think whether

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Jesus intended for there to be a church

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set up it seems if you just read what

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Jesus said he gave you some rules as to

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how to live your life but certainly

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wasn't talking about setting up a big

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church yeah definitely he was highly

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against money and you know using men

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against what money and using it in a

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form of corruption and the way they can

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be corruptible which you know unbearably

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it was the Gnostic writings that include

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Jesus are totally different as well so

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in that sense you know understanding the

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precepts of Christianity really pushed

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me to understanding what was what I

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sensed with luciferianism let me ask you

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this what do you as a Luciferian what do

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you feel about just the actual teachings

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of Jesus as opposed to Christianity in

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the church well the actual teaching so

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for me for for you know Luciferian I

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recognize that each of us starting with

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our thoughts our words our actions all

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of those have impacts they either create

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or they enhance or kind of decay our

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potential and possibilities beginning

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within our mind and each of us have a

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choice as to how we interact with others

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within our community and whoever

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contact with so in that sense the

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concept of peace for me in the way that

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Jesus preached it I because he said

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you're not of this world

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I don't think that's a viable a viable

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thing within humanity at this point I

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think that there's something within our

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psyche that demands war to soar to

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conquer on some level and and we have to

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be cognizant of that not try to diminish

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it and say that's evil or that's you

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know we have to try to direct that in a

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way that doesn't become you know what it

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has become in the past so in that sense

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you know there's there's some very

371
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interesting words but you got to

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understand he wasn't the only kind of

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Prophet at that time during that time

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you have apollyon us of Tyana

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also who was actually more of a

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verifiable Jesus in some ways because

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they actually have records and

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inscriptions to him whereas all you have

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was is the Bible and some of that so of

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all these ancient gods

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you could choose as your let's use a

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role model

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why Lucifer there was hundreds to choose

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from well let me say it like this

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Lucifer and Lucifer anism

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is a symbol of the adversary now the

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adversary has traits from all of them so

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when you say Lucifer and when like that

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judeo-christian church says Lucifer

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they're talking about Satan and that

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means all of them so the early reference

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when I think of Lucifer I can see

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elements that have fed into that over

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the years from the greco-roman Zeus the

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ruler of the air also the enemy of the

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church but the traits were of all those

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deities that become Satan is to

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challenge your authority in a way that

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you can strive for more that you can

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enhance your own path and life

401
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and seek a good name for yourself and

402
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and you know if you have an enemy and

403
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you can't work that out you defend

404
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yourself and you know within the law you

405
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do what must be done to keep yourself

406
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safe and don't feel bad about it but

407
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also think about how you interact with

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others and either try to give them

409
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knowledge if they seek it if they ask in

410
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different perspectives so he's part of

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choosing Lucifer the mere fact that that

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Lucifer is referenced in in the Bible

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and it is a way of kind of being

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contrary into not through the message of

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the Bible in this way from when I was

416
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when I was a very young child I never

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connected with the words of Christianity

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with the thoughts the ideas of it and I

419
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cannot explain why except I was always

420
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drawn to the symbol of the devil and of

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Lucifer not because I saw it as evil

422
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because I I saw it as something that

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made that enhanced and inspired strength

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within myself to understand who I was

425
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and exactly what I didn't want to be and

426
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I would see people that would claim to

427
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be so good and to strive towards God and

428
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and all that and then they do vile

429
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things when people weren't looking and

430
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when you have that you know as a kid you

431
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can't you know I would sit back and I

432
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would observe these things and you know

433
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I would rather be in a ballot sense

434
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striving individually away from the

435
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masses let's go back to the distinction

436
00:21:50,660 --> 00:21:46,620
between Lucifer and Satan so is Satan

437
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also a know ancient God in a different

438
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God than in Lucifer well in the Bible's

439
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composite

440
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:00,220
and Satan in the Bible arrives as the

441
00:22:06,659 --> 00:22:03,690
word enemy arrives from the ancient

442
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Hellenistic period of not only the

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salute kids but also Alexander the Great

444
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and their gods Zeus if you look in the

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letters from Peter talking about the

446
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throne of Satan and Pergamon that was

447
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relating to Zeus and so Satan as the

448
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adversary that spirit comes from many

449
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different angles from Samael an ancient

450
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god who was a god of the Sun and was

451
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considered the archangel Rome you have

452
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Leviathan who was the ancient god yam

453
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who was a sea god Bal who became

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Beelzebub he was an Oracle God all of

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these so then he had the Bible and if

456
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you look at the New Testament Satan in

457
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that is represented as a dragon a fallen

458
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angel and so forth so it relates it's

459
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kind of a composite symbol of all these

460
00:23:07,470 --> 00:23:03,940
different pantheon

461
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whose ideals differ with kind of early

462
00:23:15,090 --> 00:23:09,600
judeo-christianity

463
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so do you actually believe in these gods

464
00:23:22,769 --> 00:23:18,159
do you think they're real well I think

465
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that that man humanity relates to

466
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energies and things outside of ourself

467
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they relate to those and we put a face

468
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on it and we personify it I'm not an

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atheist

470
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and when I present luciferianism it's

471
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very important that people understand

472
00:23:44,610 --> 00:23:42,519
the philosophy first because I I don't

473
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want to push dogma or myth

474
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as something that's you know because

475
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everybody views things differently so do

476
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I believe that Satan is a physical being

477
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in the sense of fallen out of heaven and

478
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so forth no but do I believe the Satan

479
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kind of anti cosmic energy a force a

480
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motivating force yes I do but that's a

481
00:24:16,190 --> 00:24:13,950
subjective concept that I can't validate

482
00:24:19,850 --> 00:24:16,200
to anybody else they have to experience

483
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:19,860
that and probe that and would he be one

484
00:24:26,450 --> 00:24:22,530
of multiple forces yeah yeah I

485
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:26,460
definitely relate to the ancient

486
00:24:31,610 --> 00:24:28,890
Pantheon's that all have symbols

487
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:31,620
represented in kind of the cosmos with

488
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:34,410
him within our nature the the happenings

489
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:37,770
of the world to some extent and within

490
00:24:44,450 --> 00:24:40,890
us and we connect to those energies and

491
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:44,460
those concepts through those symbols

492
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which I call deific masks so and is

493
00:24:54,710 --> 00:24:52,860
Satan one of the deific mass or yes

494
00:24:56,210 --> 00:24:54,720
yes and explain you because that's

495
00:25:00,800 --> 00:24:56,220
throughout your book so explain to

496
00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:00,810
people the concept of a deific mask idea

497
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:04,440
'fuck mask is so you know that question

498
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:06,690
came up early on in my my writings and

499
00:25:13,370 --> 00:25:09,360
in my initiatory work was well you know

500
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:13,380
i'm not specifically saying a god idea

501
00:25:18,770 --> 00:25:15,570
tea or anything like that as a literal

502
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:18,780
thing but what is it within itself

503
00:25:23,660 --> 00:25:21,210
what's the essence of it so a deific

504
00:25:28,190 --> 00:25:23,670
mask represents a specific type of

505
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:28,200
energy and and kind of power that we

506
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:30,480
relate to you and put an image on it

507
00:25:37,490 --> 00:25:33,600
kind of a this is a this is Satan or

508
00:25:39,860 --> 00:25:37,500
this is Belial or Lilith or Hecate and

509
00:25:44,570 --> 00:25:39,870
we put those on it but they represent a

510
00:25:48,340 --> 00:25:44,580
specific type of energy that we can over

511
00:25:50,860 --> 00:25:48,350
time kind of connect you and utilize to

512
00:25:54,470 --> 00:25:50,870
enhance our like path of liberation

513
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,480
illumination apotheosis so the idea that

514
00:26:00,230 --> 00:25:56,400
mask represents a specific type of

515
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:00,240
energy and it can be a deity a demon or

516
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:03,410
spirit and just to define a deity in

517
00:26:08,060 --> 00:26:06,570
within luciferianism is a kind of

518
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:08,070
concept going back to the old world

519
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:10,860
representing something having authority

520
00:26:15,930 --> 00:26:14,010
and power over an aspect of the cosmos

521
00:26:19,049 --> 00:26:15,940
so whether

522
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:19,059
earth you know all of those things that

523
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:22,210
that come with that and a demon is more

524
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:25,600
or less from antiquity - from Babylonia

525
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:29,919
onward a messenger or a rebel type force

526
00:26:39,810 --> 00:26:35,250
that can be a messenger for the gods and

527
00:26:42,570 --> 00:26:39,820
yeah so that's basically what a deific

528
00:26:46,499 --> 00:26:42,580
mask is so Luciferians are very critical

529
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:46,509
of Christianity because they don't they

530
00:26:52,889 --> 00:26:48,129
think that following something blindly

531
00:26:57,210 --> 00:26:52,899
is is not just Christianity but any type

532
00:27:00,169 --> 00:26:57,220
of monotheistic belief that requires a

533
00:27:05,100 --> 00:27:00,179
kind of blind faith blind faith

534
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:05,110
Christians is its fantastical some could

535
00:27:09,930 --> 00:27:06,850
I think maybe in your book or somebody

536
00:27:11,580 --> 00:27:09,940
called a psychological illness yeah I'm

537
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:11,590
in a little-little you know especially

538
00:27:17,220 --> 00:27:15,370
my younger days a little more fiery with

539
00:27:20,340 --> 00:27:17,230
that but it's you know it's it's the

540
00:27:24,360 --> 00:27:20,350
point that these are things that raised

541
00:27:27,210 --> 00:27:24,370
red flags for me and you know the

542
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:27,220
adversary in that sense challenges to

543
00:27:31,619 --> 00:27:30,129
find what are the facts with that what

544
00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:31,629
are you know how does that connect to

545
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:34,000
you and do you have to believe that so

546
00:27:37,740 --> 00:27:36,250
it's not just Christianity but it's

547
00:27:40,019 --> 00:27:37,750
anything that tells you to believe in

548
00:27:42,930 --> 00:27:40,029
something blindly and hollow it without

549
00:27:44,159 --> 00:27:42,940
question okay so let's now apply that to

550
00:27:45,899 --> 00:27:44,169
luciferianism because you're

551
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:45,909
acknowledging that you know you can't

552
00:27:54,269 --> 00:27:50,610
prove any of this there's these deep

553
00:27:59,549 --> 00:27:54,279
dafuk might penetrate mass media fake

554
00:28:02,639 --> 00:27:59,559
mass satan ancient gods etc there's zero

555
00:28:04,860 --> 00:28:02,649
proof of any of this so I was yours not

556
00:28:08,940 --> 00:28:04,870
also a blind faith well because

557
00:28:10,999 --> 00:28:08,950
luciferianism is not centered in the

558
00:28:14,129 --> 00:28:11,009
belief of all of those things

559
00:28:17,029 --> 00:28:14,139
luciferianism starts with our eleven

560
00:28:19,769 --> 00:28:17,039
points of power which is a philosophy on

561
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:19,779
really setting in motion the liberation

562
00:28:26,170 --> 00:28:22,450
illumination apotheosis it's a triad

563
00:28:29,020 --> 00:28:26,180
that is kind of just a categorical

564
00:28:33,370 --> 00:28:29,030
it's a concept of how things move along

565
00:28:36,850 --> 00:28:33,380
in luciferianism to the individual so

566
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:36,860
it's a there's no belief in any of these

567
00:28:41,770 --> 00:28:39,050
things and any beings or anything like

568
00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:41,780
that it starts with the philosophy which

569
00:28:46,690 --> 00:28:43,910
is to question to liberate yourself from

570
00:28:49,390 --> 00:28:46,700
restrictive beliefs to seek the

571
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:49,400
knowledge that you require to do those

572
00:28:53,860 --> 00:28:51,650
things you wish to do in life okay but

573
00:28:55,330 --> 00:28:53,870
you refer to energies and you said that

574
00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:55,340
you're not an atheist

575
00:29:01,690 --> 00:28:58,640
so you're following you have a belief in

576
00:29:03,940 --> 00:29:01,700
these energies without any basis well

577
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:03,950
with science with science you know if

578
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:06,290
there's two quantum mechanics quantum

579
00:29:13,030 --> 00:29:09,890
physics where you look at specific types

580
00:29:15,250 --> 00:29:13,040
of energy and how the consciousness can

581
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:15,260
change in direct energy that's very

582
00:29:19,780 --> 00:29:18,050
important and how our influence over

583
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:19,790
these things can move those things like

584
00:29:24,730 --> 00:29:22,640
the double slit experiment this is

585
00:29:27,460 --> 00:29:24,740
something that I connect you because

586
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:27,470
whatever you put your mind to things

587
00:29:31,210 --> 00:29:28,370
start to happen

588
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:31,220
what's the double slit experiment well

589
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:33,530
it's a it's in quantum mechanics quantum

590
00:29:38,650 --> 00:29:35,450
physics it was an experiment we're

591
00:29:41,110 --> 00:29:38,660
observing not observing and observing

592
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:41,120
causes two different things to happen

593
00:29:47,550 --> 00:29:44,810
with the atoms and when non observing it

594
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:47,560
the atoms would kind of go everywhere

595
00:29:54,610 --> 00:29:52,250
human observation yes yeah and when they

596
00:29:56,580 --> 00:29:54,620
did that nothing would happen but when

597
00:30:00,490 --> 00:29:56,590
they observe it then they would start

598
00:30:03,790 --> 00:30:00,500
going through the slits and that

599
00:30:05,650 --> 00:30:03,800
represents that consciousness focusing

600
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:05,660
on something even just focusing can

601
00:30:14,350 --> 00:30:10,730
direct energy and so that tells me and

602
00:30:17,370 --> 00:30:14,360
my experiences that what I believed in

603
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:17,380
how I invest belief will desire belief

604
00:30:25,570 --> 00:30:22,250
causes a compelling change within the

605
00:30:27,730 --> 00:30:25,580
world so it's not about having blind

606
00:30:31,780 --> 00:30:27,740
faith or just believing in this it's

607
00:30:35,140 --> 00:30:31,790
what you invest your mind into and use

608
00:30:38,710 --> 00:30:35,150
your imagination that causes change

609
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:38,720
so the power of positive thinking to

610
00:30:43,780 --> 00:30:41,570
some extent but it's not just you know I

611
00:30:45,610 --> 00:30:43,790
want to be an astronaut and poof you're

612
00:30:49,330 --> 00:30:45,620
gonna be an astronaut you have to

613
00:30:51,940 --> 00:30:49,340
utilize and validate those steps and

614
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:51,950
validation is key and luciferianism if

615
00:30:56,590 --> 00:30:54,320
you just take you know one of the books

616
00:30:59,200 --> 00:30:56,600
and you read it saying oh I want to

617
00:31:01,360 --> 00:30:59,210
invoke this god well that's kind of

618
00:31:05,170 --> 00:31:01,370
missing the point there's there's a

619
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:05,180
process and these things all of the

620
00:31:09,790 --> 00:31:07,130
deities all of the magical the

621
00:31:13,210 --> 00:31:09,800
ceremonial magic aspect was something

622
00:31:15,370 --> 00:31:13,220
that I was very into early on which I I

623
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:15,380
still am a practitioner but not

624
00:31:20,110 --> 00:31:18,320
everybody is so it was about what's the

625
00:31:22,570 --> 00:31:20,120
philosophy what are the key beliefs that

626
00:31:26,980 --> 00:31:22,580
sets us apart from any other type of

627
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:26,990
belief and okay and and so you're

628
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:28,370
basically saying that you believe it's

629
00:31:33,810 --> 00:31:30,050
been proven that there are energies out

630
00:31:38,620 --> 00:31:33,820
there that or not cannot be seen and

631
00:31:42,490 --> 00:31:38,630
that humans can create these energies

632
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:42,500
right yeah and it's been - yeah when you

633
00:31:47,620 --> 00:31:44,570
measure I know they can measure

634
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:47,630
brainwaves based on thought you know in

635
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:51,110
a scientific setting so when we think

636
00:31:57,060 --> 00:31:53,690
about something we create an energy or

637
00:31:59,049 --> 00:31:57,070
we shape the energy to how we perceive

638
00:32:02,500 --> 00:31:59,059
perceive things in the world and that

639
00:32:04,870 --> 00:32:02,510
can be creative destructive you know

640
00:32:06,669 --> 00:32:04,880
something that can be enhanced okay how

641
00:32:08,290 --> 00:32:06,679
about the question why are you a theist

642
00:32:11,730 --> 00:32:08,300
if you don't believe in blind faith

643
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:11,740
because certainly there's no proof

644
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:14,240
scientific or otherwise that there is

645
00:32:21,130 --> 00:32:17,290
any God so why aren't you an atheist

646
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:21,140
well because I think the atheism part

647
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:24,559
and starting with any philosophy really

648
00:32:31,180 --> 00:32:27,530
should focus you on your individual self

649
00:32:34,419 --> 00:32:31,190
on those things that motivate you and

650
00:32:36,450 --> 00:32:34,429
how you are accountable and responsible

651
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:36,460
for all of those things

652
00:32:43,260 --> 00:32:40,570
and now some Luciferians and in find

653
00:32:46,350 --> 00:32:43,270
they are fulfilled with a theistic

654
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:46,360
belief and that there are those spirits

655
00:32:51,930 --> 00:32:50,290
those deities that guide them not

656
00:32:53,610 --> 00:32:51,940
something they worship but they guide

657
00:32:57,050 --> 00:32:53,620
them and that's something that's

658
00:33:01,320 --> 00:32:57,060
subjective that's up to the individual

659
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:01,330
now for myself as a Luciferian I start

660
00:33:05,820 --> 00:33:03,970
with an atheistic how does this affect

661
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:05,830
cause and effect in the rational world

662
00:33:14,550 --> 00:33:10,090
how does this have a result and then in

663
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:14,560
my works my validation can open and does

664
00:33:19,770 --> 00:33:16,960
open a spirituality but that

665
00:33:21,870 --> 00:33:19,780
spirituality is not something that I

666
00:33:25,020 --> 00:33:21,880
describe to someone else or push on

667
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:25,030
someone I show it in the terms of kind

668
00:33:29,580 --> 00:33:26,890
of this is the method of which it's used

669
00:33:31,890 --> 00:33:29,590
and and how you do that because I think

670
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:31,900
when you go into things you can't prove

671
00:33:37,020 --> 00:33:34,930
physically even then you have results I

672
00:33:40,230 --> 00:33:37,030
think you go into that area of blind

673
00:33:46,410 --> 00:33:40,240
faith okay and so what do you believe

674
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:46,420
when it comes to god or gods well I I

675
00:33:52,950 --> 00:33:48,730
don't believe that there's a cosmos

676
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:52,960
controlled by an almighty being that

677
00:33:59,970 --> 00:33:57,850
created us and really directs what we do

678
00:34:04,190 --> 00:33:59,980
every day and has a hand in everything

679
00:34:08,190 --> 00:34:04,200
if there was I think that we would be

680
00:34:11,820 --> 00:34:08,200
ignorant or plain stupid to follow it

681
00:34:14,909 --> 00:34:11,830
because of all the bad or destructive

682
00:34:19,590 --> 00:34:14,919
things in the world I believe in these

683
00:34:24,300 --> 00:34:19,600
as more or less symbols too many to an

684
00:34:26,580 --> 00:34:24,310
extent or myths just as Gilgamesh or you

685
00:34:30,659 --> 00:34:26,590
know any of the ancient tales you know

686
00:34:34,669 --> 00:34:30,669
including the Bible I think that our

687
00:34:37,649 --> 00:34:34,679
understanding in the modern age of how

688
00:34:41,220 --> 00:34:37,659
science works to some extent or at least

689
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:41,230
theories plays a part in how people view

690
00:34:46,740 --> 00:34:43,330
the world today but it has to start with

691
00:34:49,530 --> 00:34:46,750
the individual and not looking to a

692
00:34:50,220 --> 00:34:49,540
deity and I say that because it's it's

693
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:50,230
our toy

694
00:34:56,580 --> 00:34:52,960
and our thoughts that affect the world

695
00:34:59,790 --> 00:34:56,590
more than anything what about an after

696
00:35:02,940 --> 00:34:59,800
life after life well I've done a lot of

697
00:35:05,070 --> 00:35:02,950
experiments with concepts like

698
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:05,080
necromancy which is divination of the

699
00:35:09,690 --> 00:35:07,210
dead and things like that and I've had

700
00:35:13,050 --> 00:35:09,700
what I would call some paranormal

701
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:13,060
experiences I mean ever had anything to

702
00:35:17,190 --> 00:35:15,490
sit there and talk to me or anything

703
00:35:20,130 --> 00:35:17,200
like that but I've had occurrences

704
00:35:22,140 --> 00:35:20,140
happen so you know when it comes to an

705
00:35:24,090 --> 00:35:22,150
afterlife I don't believe in a heaven or

706
00:35:27,090 --> 00:35:24,100
hell I don't believe you go to some

707
00:35:29,849 --> 00:35:27,100
other place the concept of Hell for a

708
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:29,859
Luciferian in a magical setting it

709
00:35:36,540 --> 00:35:32,560
relates to the old anglo-saxon word Hell

710
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:36,550
on which is a hidden place a and it's a

711
00:35:42,180 --> 00:35:39,040
hidden place referencing our our kind of

712
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:42,190
inner subconscious so in terms of an

713
00:35:49,230 --> 00:35:45,570
afterlife I won't know until I'm dead as

714
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:49,240
to if I know anything as to what happens

715
00:35:55,950 --> 00:35:52,330
after and there's not a Luciferian

716
00:36:00,030 --> 00:35:55,960
belief per se about that no it's open to

717
00:36:04,410 --> 00:36:00,040
the individual because really you know

718
00:36:06,660 --> 00:36:04,420
it would be kind of irresponsible to

719
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:06,670
dictate otherwise without any kind of

720
00:36:12,180 --> 00:36:10,240
verifiable proof so going back to the

721
00:36:14,670 --> 00:36:12,190
the Bible especially perhaps the New

722
00:36:18,830 --> 00:36:14,680
Testament it's basically your belief

723
00:36:22,260 --> 00:36:18,840
that by making Satan this very negative

724
00:36:26,490 --> 00:36:22,270
figure it was the way to kind of cast

725
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:26,500
off all other gods so that the only God

726
00:36:32,550 --> 00:36:30,490
you'll follow is the one God Yahweh and

727
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:32,560
the authority more than anything the

728
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:35,890
authority and the singular view was what

729
00:36:42,930 --> 00:36:38,770
they wanted and if you look at the

730
00:36:45,690 --> 00:36:42,940
traits so you Satan is the far extreme

731
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:45,700
like you take traits of the ancient

732
00:36:51,380 --> 00:36:48,970
world which was conquer your enemy seek

733
00:36:54,930 --> 00:36:51,390
knowledge seek a good name for yourself

734
00:36:58,210 --> 00:36:54,940
all of these things they take that and

735
00:37:02,350 --> 00:36:58,220
they turn it way up until it's this

736
00:37:04,630 --> 00:37:02,360
screaming sound and that is Satan for

737
00:37:07,420 --> 00:37:04,640
the Christians but when I looked at the

738
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:07,430
traits of what made that concept of

739
00:37:12,700 --> 00:37:09,650
Satan that figure of Satan they're not

740
00:37:16,060 --> 00:37:12,710
all bad traits and they're not all

741
00:37:19,390 --> 00:37:16,070
destructive towards people he was the

742
00:37:22,930 --> 00:37:19,400
one in you know in Genesis who came as a

743
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:22,940
serpent and offered the wisdom eat from

744
00:37:27,220 --> 00:37:24,650
this and you'll know and you'll be as a

745
00:37:29,860 --> 00:37:27,230
god but you have a choice with that and

746
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:29,870
you know having that consciousness you

747
00:37:35,170 --> 00:37:33,650
have to make the choice whether this is

748
00:37:37,450 --> 00:37:35,180
you know you have to make your own

749
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:37,460
choices it's not just an all great thing

750
00:37:41,410 --> 00:37:39,920
it's like anything in life don't you

751
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:41,420
think it would be a lot easier for you

752
00:37:47,290 --> 00:37:43,850
guys to get followers if you chose a

753
00:37:52,230 --> 00:37:47,300
different name or different God than

754
00:37:54,730 --> 00:37:52,240
then Satan or Lucifer I we don't want

755
00:37:59,080 --> 00:37:54,740
followers that's the first thing we do

756
00:38:00,910 --> 00:37:59,090
not want followers and we don't request

757
00:38:01,420 --> 00:38:00,920
followers if you look at any of our

758
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:01,430
works

759
00:38:07,020 --> 00:38:03,650
we're not trying and one thing I'm

760
00:38:11,110 --> 00:38:07,030
specifically very focused on we do not

761
00:38:14,290 --> 00:38:11,120
convert people that are Lucifer II and

762
00:38:16,750 --> 00:38:14,300
inherently understand and kind of

763
00:38:19,690 --> 00:38:16,760
connect to it it's not something that is

764
00:38:23,410 --> 00:38:19,700
for everyone it's not for the masses so

765
00:38:25,240 --> 00:38:23,420
in that sense we're not looking for any

766
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:25,250
type of just followers tell me what to

767
00:38:30,700 --> 00:38:28,130
do we want you know if someone finds it

768
00:38:32,910 --> 00:38:30,710
and it connects with them and they apply

769
00:38:35,350 --> 00:38:32,920
it to their however they are in life

770
00:38:38,620 --> 00:38:35,360
perfect you're not you're not looking to

771
00:38:41,790 --> 00:38:38,630
spread the word no no let me ask him

772
00:38:43,780 --> 00:38:41,800
because you know Christians generally

773
00:38:45,820 --> 00:38:43,790
obviously do look to spread the word

774
00:38:47,290 --> 00:38:45,830
yeah and I think they think that the

775
00:38:49,450 --> 00:38:47,300
world would be a better place if

776
00:38:50,830 --> 00:38:49,460
everyone was Christian and lived the

777
00:38:53,350 --> 00:38:50,840
Christian lifestyle I think that is

778
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:53,360
their belief busy is it your I know

779
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:55,280
you're not looking to spread it but

780
00:39:01,480 --> 00:38:57,920
would it be a better world if everyone

781
00:39:03,610 --> 00:39:01,490
was Luciferian I don't think it would I

782
00:39:08,439 --> 00:39:03,620
don't think everybody could be suffering

783
00:39:11,269 --> 00:39:08,449
because in here's why there's a certain

784
00:39:14,299 --> 00:39:11,279
validation that you have to attain and a

785
00:39:16,849 --> 00:39:14,309
kind of inner spirituality over time and

786
00:39:18,319 --> 00:39:16,859
that's confidence in yourself and what

787
00:39:21,019 --> 00:39:18,329
you can do that doesn't mean that you

788
00:39:23,509 --> 00:39:21,029
have this ego or you think you're better

789
00:39:25,609 --> 00:39:23,519
than anyone it represents that you're in

790
00:39:29,029 --> 00:39:25,619
control of your life and that you're

791
00:39:32,959 --> 00:39:29,039
you're okay and you can go forward a lot

792
00:39:35,930 --> 00:39:32,969
of Christians have a kind of they have a

793
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,940
need to feel that concept of

794
00:39:39,709 --> 00:39:37,440
spirituality that there's something

795
00:39:42,739 --> 00:39:39,719
waiting for them something that empowers

796
00:39:46,099 --> 00:39:42,749
them and helps them okay so in that

797
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:46,109
sense not many could be that would the

798
00:39:53,209 --> 00:39:49,890
world be better with more Luciferians I

799
00:39:57,229 --> 00:39:53,219
think so and I think so in the sense of

800
00:40:00,469 --> 00:39:57,239
this in that your thoughts create your

801
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:00,479
tomorrow your thoughts will be either

802
00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:03,930
enhance or diminish you but also your

803
00:40:10,759 --> 00:40:07,529
words and your actions in in that world

804
00:40:12,709 --> 00:40:10,769
in this world affects everything else

805
00:40:15,259 --> 00:40:12,719
and those around you so if you have a

806
00:40:19,959 --> 00:40:15,269
knowledge of that and a kind of balance

807
00:40:22,699 --> 00:40:19,969
and the other key is selfishness

808
00:40:24,769 --> 00:40:22,709
everybody is selfish even if you're a

809
00:40:28,189 --> 00:40:24,779
charity worker because you get a reward

810
00:40:29,479 --> 00:40:28,199
for that in your mind of doing good you

811
00:40:31,999 --> 00:40:29,489
want to do good if you want to help

812
00:40:34,759 --> 00:40:32,009
people that's a reward within the mind

813
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:34,769
so that's an understanding everybody has

814
00:40:42,410 --> 00:40:39,209
selfishness that's a key thing you have

815
00:40:45,499 --> 00:40:42,420
to be responsible for your future you're

816
00:40:48,319 --> 00:40:45,509
responsible for your world so knowing

817
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:48,329
that you're selfish you can then gladly

818
00:40:53,900 --> 00:40:50,729
help others and just as long as you

819
00:40:57,890 --> 00:40:53,910
don't lie to yourself and say I'm total

820
00:41:03,380 --> 00:40:57,900
you know I'm selfless everybody has that

821
00:41:04,969 --> 00:41:03,390
so understand that and then use it to do

822
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:04,979
well in the world whatever that is for

823
00:41:10,609 --> 00:41:08,130
the individual how did the what did the

824
00:41:11,839 --> 00:41:10,619
Luciferian say about the golden rule do

825
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:11,849
unto others as you would have them do

826
00:41:18,620 --> 00:41:14,729
unto you well the golden rule is a kind

827
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:18,630
of elevated form from the old Hammurabi

828
00:41:24,130 --> 00:41:21,530
of Babylonia

829
00:41:26,530 --> 00:41:24,140
Babylonian Kingdom and the Golden Rule

830
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:26,540
dirt that's fine that's apps I'm een you

831
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:28,210
know that's a basic common-sense thing

832
00:41:35,710 --> 00:41:32,720
one doesn't need religion to utilize

833
00:41:37,090 --> 00:41:35,720
that one to end you know well but you

834
00:41:39,550 --> 00:41:37,100
you guys talking throughout your book

835
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:39,560
you talk about tossing out Christian

836
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:42,050
morals and I think for your average

837
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:43,850
person walking down the street when you

838
00:41:46,990 --> 00:41:45,010
ask them about Christian morals

839
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:47,000
summarize Christian morals to me they

840
00:41:51,190 --> 00:41:49,850
would say the Golden Rule mm-hmm but you

841
00:41:52,990 --> 00:41:51,200
believe in the golden rule so when we

842
00:41:55,750 --> 00:41:53,000
talk about getting rid of Christian

843
00:42:00,030 --> 00:41:55,760
morals what what Christian morals well

844
00:42:03,820 --> 00:42:00,040
how many Christians follow a moral code

845
00:42:05,980 --> 00:42:03,830
when it matters and I say that in all of

846
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,990
the things that occur in the world not

847
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:08,000
just in Christianity but in people that

848
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:12,110
believe in a deity you have violent

849
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:13,760
activities you have the Catholic Church

850
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:16,130
and their scandal with the boys for so

851
00:42:22,690 --> 00:42:19,520
many years all of these things that if

852
00:42:27,220 --> 00:42:22,700
people would think that hey this is on

853
00:42:29,790 --> 00:42:27,230
me I'm accountable before I act if you

854
00:42:32,530 --> 00:42:29,800
have that realm of deity within yourself

855
00:42:35,380 --> 00:42:32,540
then you can you would probably do less

856
00:42:37,930 --> 00:42:35,390
bad things you can't ask for forgiveness

857
00:42:40,300 --> 00:42:37,940
and you suffer an ism so you have to try

858
00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:40,310
to do the right thing for yourself and

859
00:42:46,810 --> 00:42:44,710
what's what you understand morals within

860
00:42:51,130 --> 00:42:46,820
Christianity they say thou shalt not

861
00:42:53,820 --> 00:42:51,140
kill but the Crusades I'm not even going

862
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:53,830
to go into you know like the wars that

863
00:43:00,250 --> 00:42:58,130
have been fought in the name of God you

864
00:43:04,900 --> 00:43:00,260
know just all of these things a lot of

865
00:43:08,260 --> 00:43:04,910
them are rules that are not appropriate

866
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:08,270
for our state in humanity it's not very

867
00:43:12,510 --> 00:43:10,160
sure there's been a lots of bad conduct

868
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:12,520
by the church people in the church

869
00:43:17,340 --> 00:43:14,960
followers of the church no doubt about

870
00:43:21,490 --> 00:43:17,350
it but in in the book you talk about

871
00:43:23,380 --> 00:43:21,500
getting rid of Christian morals I'm not

872
00:43:26,170 --> 00:43:23,390
the behavior but the morals themselves

873
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:26,180
so what are the morals that you want to

874
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:30,610
toss out the belief that you are

875
00:43:36,049 --> 00:43:33,930
subjective and you have to be good

876
00:43:38,599 --> 00:43:36,059
in every way in the sense that you're

877
00:43:41,210 --> 00:43:38,609
following a deity and that you're

878
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:41,220
preaching a word and that you would help

879
00:43:45,410 --> 00:43:43,290
anybody for anything

880
00:43:47,839 --> 00:43:45,420
and but these aren't things that anybody

881
00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:47,849
does so what I'm saying is you have to

882
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:51,900
look at morals and throw them out and

883
00:43:58,940 --> 00:43:55,530
reinvest what's important to you and

884
00:44:03,170 --> 00:43:58,950
what you've feel instinctually important

885
00:44:04,819 --> 00:44:03,180
and imperative so you know for me many

886
00:44:07,460 --> 00:44:04,829
of them they could be they could be

887
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:07,470
similar they could be very close to

888
00:44:13,549 --> 00:44:09,839
pending on the individual but it's up to

889
00:44:17,170 --> 00:44:13,559
the individual to discern that and so a

890
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:17,180
lot of the books are about deprogramming

891
00:44:23,540 --> 00:44:20,490
liberating questioning and being

892
00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:23,550
accountable for those so when you're

893
00:44:28,549 --> 00:44:25,710
when you're going through the process of

894
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:28,559
initiation of liberation you're going to

895
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:32,490
look at everything and whatever you

896
00:44:35,569 --> 00:44:33,839
choose to believe in your moral

897
00:44:38,030 --> 00:44:35,579
foundation that's already going to kind

898
00:44:41,059 --> 00:44:38,040
of be there but you're going to enhance

899
00:44:43,849 --> 00:44:41,069
it and make it more important just by

900
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:43,859
questioning all those things how about

901
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:46,160
Jesus saying turn the other cheek never

902
00:44:55,849 --> 00:44:52,650
never it's not something that I think it

903
00:44:58,670 --> 00:44:55,859
weakens and diminishes now if it's

904
00:45:01,640 --> 00:44:58,680
within a family it should be strategic

905
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:01,650
first of all and if it's within a family

906
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:03,690
setting sure that's up to the individual

907
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,010
but if somebody attacks you then you

908
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:10,079
can't let that go unanswered

909
00:45:17,150 --> 00:45:12,450
you have to match that and defend

910
00:45:19,849 --> 00:45:17,160
yourself and whoever more or less

911
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:19,859
conquers well that's the kind of right

912
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,010
of the world but you do need to have a

913
00:45:28,089 --> 00:45:25,680
cause and effect in there and not just

914
00:45:31,130 --> 00:45:28,099
in a I'm going to put you in jail but if

915
00:45:33,289 --> 00:45:31,140
country attacks another country then

916
00:45:36,410 --> 00:45:33,299
they have to defend themselves what

917
00:45:39,230 --> 00:45:36,420
about the attack itself is that is it

918
00:45:41,900 --> 00:45:39,240
defensible to go invade another country

919
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,910
for the purpose of taking it over it's

920
00:45:45,170 --> 00:45:43,680
been that way since the beginning

921
00:45:47,749 --> 00:45:45,180
beginning of time is it

922
00:45:51,499 --> 00:45:47,759
is it correct

923
00:45:56,539 --> 00:45:51,509
I think if people would limit the desire

924
00:46:01,249 --> 00:45:56,549
to for money for oil for whatever it is

925
00:46:03,339 --> 00:46:01,259
to limit that then that's okay but for

926
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:03,349
someone to attack it's all subjective

927
00:46:09,950 --> 00:46:06,720
you know you can have somebody or the

928
00:46:13,220 --> 00:46:09,960
the kind of narrative that this is for

929
00:46:14,779 --> 00:46:13,230
this reason or for that reason and it

930
00:46:16,339 --> 00:46:14,789
might have some truth in that but

931
00:46:19,309 --> 00:46:16,349
there's also so many of the things that

932
00:46:23,089 --> 00:46:19,319
are affected by that but it's a reality

933
00:46:25,099 --> 00:46:23,099
that we live in and you know you have to

934
00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:25,109
kind of accept and understand that those

935
00:46:30,170 --> 00:46:27,089
things are going to happen and what kind

936
00:46:32,210 --> 00:46:30,180
of government does a Luciferian want it

937
00:46:34,700 --> 00:46:32,220
would be you know it wouldn't be within

938
00:46:36,109 --> 00:46:34,710
the realm of Republican and Democrat it

939
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:36,119
would have to be somewhere in the middle

940
00:46:42,829 --> 00:46:38,730
and I think that's probably the greatest

941
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:42,839
thing that harms at least our country is

942
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:45,240
we need to have more coming together in

943
00:46:51,099 --> 00:46:47,249
the sense that people need to question

944
00:46:54,170 --> 00:46:51,109
things and really do what's right for

945
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:54,180
the country and so there's there's blind

946
00:46:58,039 --> 00:46:56,130
faith of the Democrat Party there's

947
00:46:59,539 --> 00:46:58,049
blind faith of the Republican Party in

948
00:47:02,390 --> 00:46:59,549
the same way there's blind faith of

949
00:47:06,589 --> 00:47:02,400
various religions absolutely any kind of

950
00:47:08,569 --> 00:47:06,599
group once you have masses together you

951
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:08,579
get that where people stop questioning

952
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:11,249
they want to feel good and feeling as a

953
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:13,440
part of something so they join these

954
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:15,930
narratives and throw passion into them

955
00:47:19,130 --> 00:47:17,249
and get a voice for themselves the

956
00:47:20,930 --> 00:47:19,140
people that start these narratives yet

957
00:47:23,779 --> 00:47:20,940
more power or whatever they're after

958
00:47:26,059 --> 00:47:23,789
whatever the gratification is until you

959
00:47:27,859 --> 00:47:26,069
have your kind of forgetting the

960
00:47:31,279 --> 00:47:27,869
perspective of what you're trying to do

961
00:47:33,259 --> 00:47:31,289
what your your goal is so yeah you you

962
00:47:35,870 --> 00:47:33,269
have to think for yourself you have to

963
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:35,880
be an individual question things and not

964
00:47:40,099 --> 00:47:37,890
just go along with something because

965
00:47:43,039 --> 00:47:40,109
you're pressured into it you have to

966
00:47:45,549 --> 00:47:43,049
resist that one of the first things I

967
00:47:48,410 --> 00:47:45,559
read in your book because it's

968
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:48,420
essentially page one or two but it

969
00:47:53,950 --> 00:47:50,400
resonated with me I want you to kind of

970
00:47:58,009 --> 00:47:53,960
flush it out says the the first is that

971
00:48:00,490 --> 00:47:58,019
all living conscious beings evolved

972
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:00,500
through their predatory in survive

973
00:48:05,380 --> 00:48:03,650
instinct this exists in the darkness our

974
00:48:07,870 --> 00:48:05,390
lusts and desires develop in the

975
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:07,880
subconscious which acts as a fuel for

976
00:48:15,100 --> 00:48:11,810
our conscious mind yes and what that

977
00:48:17,110 --> 00:48:15,110
what that means essentially is that we

978
00:48:20,430 --> 00:48:17,120
are born in a certain way and we have a

979
00:48:24,190 --> 00:48:20,440
lot of like desires and motivations that

980
00:48:26,830 --> 00:48:24,200
sometimes we aren't aware of until much

981
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:26,840
later and that if you can control that

982
00:48:32,140 --> 00:48:29,690
control anger and full you know the lust

983
00:48:34,750 --> 00:48:32,150
you have and direct it in a positive way

984
00:48:37,900 --> 00:48:34,760
that doesn't harm others and get you in

985
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:37,910
trouble then that's a good thing that

986
00:48:45,340 --> 00:48:40,970
can fuel whatever you do next in life

987
00:48:48,190 --> 00:48:45,350
and you know you can't ignore those

988
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:48,200
things within you and if you ignore them

989
00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:51,440
it comes out in ways that are terrible

990
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:53,510
you see it in and I'm not just saying

991
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:55,130
this about the Catholic religion it's

992
00:48:59,800 --> 00:48:56,810
that so many others but you have

993
00:49:04,300 --> 00:48:59,810
religions where priests or the officials

994
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:04,310
do really bad things bad in in the sense

995
00:49:10,810 --> 00:49:07,370
that it harms the innocent individual

996
00:49:13,180 --> 00:49:10,820
that's relying upon them and and then in

997
00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:13,190
doing that that destroys them or shapes

998
00:49:19,330 --> 00:49:16,250
them for the rest of their life so it's

999
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:19,340
it's really about directing those things

1000
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:23,690
and what restriction I mean probably the

1001
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:25,970
strongest instinct in man is survival

1002
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:28,130
yes otherwise we wouldn't have survived

1003
00:49:33,730 --> 00:49:31,730
explained by evolution but and I think

1004
00:49:36,340 --> 00:49:33,740
this is the point that you're making is

1005
00:49:40,090 --> 00:49:36,350
that if you solely look out for yourself

1006
00:49:44,110 --> 00:49:40,100
if it was only self survival ultimately

1007
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:44,120
the species would become extinct because

1008
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:48,530
ultimately in order to evolve and to

1009
00:49:54,070 --> 00:49:51,200
flourish and survive as a species you

1010
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:54,080
need to learn to work together to look

1011
00:49:57,870 --> 00:49:55,490
out for each other that essentially I

1012
00:50:01,810 --> 00:49:57,880
think the golden rule emanates from

1013
00:50:03,460 --> 00:50:01,820
evolution because man realizes wait a

1014
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:03,470
minute this isn't working out so well me

1015
00:50:07,420 --> 00:50:05,930
just looking out for myself we need to

1016
00:50:11,590 --> 00:50:07,430
kind of look out for each other and when

1017
00:50:14,220 --> 00:50:11,600
we do that the this the some is larger

1018
00:50:17,350 --> 00:50:14,230
than then its parts if I said

1019
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:17,360
with luciferianism you have you're

1020
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:20,570
selfish you know you have but you look

1021
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:23,330
at well what benefits everybody and how

1022
00:50:28,990 --> 00:50:25,520
does this go halfway like with friends

1023
00:50:31,630 --> 00:50:29,000
family or your realm of control and it's

1024
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:31,640
about well how can we all get a benefit

1025
00:50:36,940 --> 00:50:34,490
from this thing and when you can do that

1026
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:36,950
that makes things better it starts with

1027
00:50:40,690 --> 00:50:39,170
the individual now when it gets bad is

1028
00:50:45,130 --> 00:50:40,700
when you start getting the people saying

1029
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:45,140
hey I can make more and do more than

1030
00:50:49,870 --> 00:50:46,730
these other people just by doing this

1031
00:50:53,110 --> 00:50:49,880
and it becomes a selfishness that kind

1032
00:50:58,570 --> 00:50:53,120
of perverts and corrupts the original

1033
00:51:01,600 --> 00:50:58,580
idea so it based on what desire is in

1034
00:51:04,930 --> 00:51:01,610
the person and how that can benefit

1035
00:51:07,810 --> 00:51:04,940
everybody so when you hear people say

1036
00:51:10,090 --> 00:51:07,820
that Epstein was a Luciferian what's

1037
00:51:14,740 --> 00:51:10,100
your response to them absolutely not and

1038
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:14,750
and let me just say it like this so one

1039
00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:16,690
of the things with luciferianism is

1040
00:51:25,570 --> 00:51:19,730
everything you do has a consequence so

1041
00:51:28,900 --> 00:51:25,580
if you have a lustful desire and you

1042
00:51:31,570 --> 00:51:28,910
take that out on somebody who is more or

1043
00:51:34,980 --> 00:51:31,580
less innocent and I'm saying kid why's a

1044
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:34,990
child and you do these things knowing

1045
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:37,610
what it does to them because maybe he

1046
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:39,440
had it done to him who knows I don't

1047
00:51:47,380 --> 00:51:43,520
know but when you do that you're causing

1048
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:47,390
decay and destruction within people for

1049
00:51:53,230 --> 00:51:49,520
literally no reason other than for your

1050
00:51:55,720 --> 00:51:53,240
own base needs so I would say that

1051
00:51:58,540 --> 00:51:55,730
anybody who does that that that's that's

1052
00:52:01,180 --> 00:51:58,550
a criminal and I don't think it goes to

1053
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:01,190
a religion I think it goes to just the

1054
00:52:05,410 --> 00:52:03,410
social contract and it's not about

1055
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:05,420
someone being within a month of being of

1056
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:06,770
age or anything like that there's a

1057
00:52:13,930 --> 00:52:11,330
whole window of how that can you know

1058
00:52:16,990 --> 00:52:13,940
affect people so no he's a he's not a

1059
00:52:19,690 --> 00:52:17,000
Luciferian he's somebody who had a

1060
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:19,700
problem and managed to make a lot of

1061
00:52:26,730 --> 00:52:23,440
money and he went on those impulses and

1062
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:26,740
so there's nothing in Luciferian

1063
00:52:30,810 --> 00:52:28,570
that involves rituals involving children

1064
00:52:34,020 --> 00:52:30,820
absolutely not

1065
00:52:37,530 --> 00:52:34,030
there's no children rituals there's no

1066
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:37,540
animal you know we don't harm anything

1067
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:40,210
the old magical if you go back to the

1068
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:42,610
Bible Old Testament they would do burnt

1069
00:52:48,810 --> 00:52:46,480
offerings even for a Christian God where

1070
00:52:51,420 --> 00:52:48,820
they would kill things and and because

1071
00:52:53,310 --> 00:52:51,430
they felt that would feed the gods well

1072
00:52:55,350 --> 00:52:53,320
that's not the way that's not how we see

1073
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:55,360
things today it's all symbolic and we

1074
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:57,850
used in sense we use lebay shion's

1075
00:53:03,660 --> 00:52:59,680
and children are not involved in

1076
00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:03,670
luciferianism at all they're not allowed

1077
00:53:09,300 --> 00:53:06,910
to approach us or do this within a

1078
00:53:13,140 --> 00:53:09,310
family sense and you know unless they're

1079
00:53:15,750 --> 00:53:13,150
18 now if somebody has parents who are

1080
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:15,760
Lucifer ting they can teach them this

1081
00:53:22,620 --> 00:53:19,290
but there's nothing bad at all or

1082
00:53:28,170 --> 00:53:22,630
anything like that within the works so

1083
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:28,180
you meet as any religious group does

1084
00:53:37,380 --> 00:53:32,800
once a week and perform rituals no so

1085
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:37,390
when we had a physical building for a

1086
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:39,930
year until it was closed because the

1087
00:53:47,220 --> 00:53:42,640
landlord was getting death threats from

1088
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:47,230
the group associated with Fatima in in

1089
00:53:51,660 --> 00:53:49,210
spring

1090
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:51,670
she didn't renew our lease but when we

1091
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:53,920
were open well all we did was people

1092
00:53:58,859 --> 00:53:56,400
would come in and we would discuss

1093
00:54:01,020 --> 00:53:58,869
concert Opik surround Luciferian

1094
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:01,030
philosophy or some of the magical things

1095
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:04,450
the only type of ceremony that you would

1096
00:54:08,340 --> 00:54:06,640
see any type of ritual would have been

1097
00:54:11,250 --> 00:54:08,350
the self illumination right which is

1098
00:54:14,970 --> 00:54:11,260
merely it's published in apotheosis it's

1099
00:54:17,250 --> 00:54:14,980
nearly a work to self identify as

1100
00:54:21,330 --> 00:54:17,260
Lucifer in and to confirm it and to

1101
00:54:24,780 --> 00:54:21,340
affirm your that you recognize yourself

1102
00:54:28,109 --> 00:54:24,790
towards this path and that's it sorry

1103
00:54:30,690 --> 00:54:28,119
what is Fatima Fatima was a is a

1104
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:30,700
Catholic kind of extreme Catholic oh

1105
00:54:40,310 --> 00:54:35,890
shoot that relates to some girls that

1106
00:54:42,650 --> 00:54:40,320
saw a saint or Jesus or the Virgin Mary

1107
00:54:44,660 --> 00:54:42,660
and I think it's either Mexico or Brazil

1108
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:44,670
a long time ago but they have a group

1109
00:54:51,860 --> 00:54:47,970
that's you know and they were probably

1110
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:51,870
the ones who attacked us the most when

1111
00:54:56,780 --> 00:54:54,480
we were open that way so I presume then

1112
00:54:57,950 --> 00:54:56,790
you know some of these rules that come

1113
00:54:59,660 --> 00:54:57,960
out of the Bible

1114
00:55:03,350 --> 00:54:59,670
at least the Christians take out of the

1115
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:03,360
Bible no homo sexuality no premarital

1116
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:07,650
sex some even will say no masturbation I

1117
00:55:13,370 --> 00:55:10,890
guess all those things you totally

1118
00:55:19,250 --> 00:55:13,380
disagree with yeah yeah I think it's a

1119
00:55:22,100 --> 00:55:19,260
natural part of the human condition you

1120
00:55:25,070 --> 00:55:22,110
know as far as homosexuality why should

1121
00:55:27,020 --> 00:55:25,080
anybody care what somebody else does

1122
00:55:29,870 --> 00:55:27,030
with another consenting individual an

1123
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:29,880
adult why should that even be a thought

1124
00:55:36,890 --> 00:55:34,770
and if you are religious and you say hey

1125
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:36,900
this is against my my god well that's

1126
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:39,330
between them and your God if that's what

1127
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:42,210
you believe that's not your job to tell

1128
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:45,090
them what to do or to try to limit them

1129
00:55:50,590 --> 00:55:47,010
as people because they have different

1130
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:50,600
views and you know sex before marriage

1131
00:55:54,290 --> 00:55:52,530
what's wrong with that between

1132
00:55:56,090 --> 00:55:54,300
consenting individuals how do you know

1133
00:55:59,270 --> 00:55:56,100
that your agent compatible for the

1134
00:56:03,830 --> 00:55:59,280
person so yeah I think that it falls on

1135
00:56:06,890 --> 00:56:03,840
our personal responsibility and what we

1136
00:56:10,340 --> 00:56:06,900
have to do what about abortion its

1137
00:56:10,850 --> 00:56:10,350
choice it's its choice with a woman it's

1138
00:56:13,370 --> 00:56:10,860
her body

1139
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:13,380
it's her decision there's circumstances

1140
00:56:19,460 --> 00:56:16,130
that the mitigating circumstances that

1141
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:19,470
inspire that decision or the decision

1142
00:56:27,220 --> 00:56:23,570
not to it's not a religion or a state's

1143
00:56:29,630 --> 00:56:27,230
Authority shouldn't be to tell them no

1144
00:56:32,750 --> 00:56:29,640
well not good to go too far down that

1145
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:32,760
rat hole but I mean are you talking

1146
00:56:38,990 --> 00:56:35,490
about even up to the ninth month well no

1147
00:56:41,330 --> 00:56:39,000
no no it has to be within a you know a

1148
00:56:44,900 --> 00:56:41,340
what a doctor views or what the

1149
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:44,910
consensus is for what's safe and what's

1150
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:47,970
why not a barbaric act there's you know

1151
00:56:52,490 --> 00:56:49,530
you have to go within that window and it

1152
00:56:54,170 --> 00:56:52,500
has to be rational so at one point I

1153
00:56:56,930 --> 00:56:54,180
just pulled out a few quotes from your

1154
00:56:57,950 --> 00:56:56,940
your book you talk about I forget what

1155
00:57:00,050 --> 00:56:57,960
it was you're talking about but you talk

1156
00:57:01,070 --> 00:57:00,060
about opening up the gates to the depths

1157
00:57:06,020 --> 00:57:01,080
of hell

1158
00:57:08,450 --> 00:57:06,030
so Luciferians do believe in a hell well

1159
00:57:10,610 --> 00:57:08,460
I said earlier the subconscious relating

1160
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:10,620
the word Hell on meaning a hidden place

1161
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:13,920
this psychodrama is calling forth the

1162
00:57:20,690 --> 00:57:18,170
darkness is about using yourself to

1163
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:20,700
recognize those energies those symbols

1164
00:57:27,050 --> 00:57:24,000
and to utilizing them as a kind of fuel

1165
00:57:30,650 --> 00:57:27,060
or what you do there is balance there

1166
00:57:33,530 --> 00:57:30,660
because no nobody is all good or all bad

1167
00:57:36,980 --> 00:57:33,540
and we don't consider the concept of

1168
00:57:39,950 --> 00:57:36,990
Hell or darkness bad it's it kind of

1169
00:57:42,170 --> 00:57:39,960
fuels us it provides rest and if you

1170
00:57:45,140 --> 00:57:42,180
look back the symbol of darkness and

1171
00:57:48,500 --> 00:57:45,150
cathodic realms and in like Mesopotamia

1172
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:48,510
the darkness and the serpent and things

1173
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:50,480
like that represent fertility and

1174
00:57:56,510 --> 00:57:54,450
renewal and healing as a matter of fact

1175
00:58:00,830 --> 00:57:56,520
if you look at the Casillas in the

1176
00:58:02,660 --> 00:58:00,840
medical symbol another part of the book

1177
00:58:06,140 --> 00:58:02,670
you talk about that we will not seek the

1178
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:06,150
advice of others what is that referring

1179
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:10,170
to well that goes into if you if you

1180
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:13,920
ever see how groups kind of coagulate

1181
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:19,440
and mix if you can't make decisions by

1182
00:58:26,270 --> 00:58:21,930
your individual mind if you can't make

1183
00:58:29,810 --> 00:58:26,280
decisions by yourself then that can lead

1184
00:58:32,990 --> 00:58:29,820
you to being controlled manipulated and

1185
00:58:35,780 --> 00:58:33,000
thrown into just a groupthink without

1186
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:35,790
any sense of responsibility or

1187
00:58:40,430 --> 00:58:38,250
accountability so you have to rely on

1188
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:40,440
your instincts and that's a part of

1189
00:58:44,810 --> 00:58:42,210
Luciferian philosophy and that's why I

1190
00:58:47,900 --> 00:58:44,820
wrote that is because you have to strip

1191
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:47,910
away well what should i do what should I

1192
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:48,090
do

1193
00:58:52,550 --> 00:58:50,400
well you know as a Luciferian you should

1194
00:58:55,250 --> 00:58:52,560
have an instinct as to what you should

1195
00:58:59,090 --> 00:58:55,260
do the best decision talking to someone

1196
00:59:01,610 --> 00:58:59,100
about it is not a problem as long as you

1197
00:59:03,380 --> 00:59:01,620
don't just see continual reassurance

1198
00:59:04,849 --> 00:59:03,390
with that you have to be confident

1199
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:04,859
within yourself

1200
00:59:10,609 --> 00:59:07,890
so don't seek the advice of others is

1201
00:59:12,319 --> 00:59:10,619
probably stating it too broadly it's

1202
00:59:14,059 --> 00:59:12,329
okay to take advice but not to be

1203
00:59:18,170 --> 00:59:14,069
relying on others to be making decisions

1204
00:59:21,049 --> 00:59:18,180
for you yeah you know and and you have

1205
00:59:23,299 --> 00:59:21,059
to find your own truth within what

1206
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:23,309
you're seeking and you know because it

1207
00:59:28,910 --> 00:59:25,890
comes to what you believe can make you

1208
00:59:31,489 --> 00:59:28,920
accomplish or not accomplish a lot of

1209
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:31,499
things in your life or for whatever

1210
00:59:42,739 --> 00:59:37,890
cause you're focusing on sorry let me

1211
00:59:44,900 --> 00:59:42,749
find one other quote here oh this goes

1212
00:59:46,699 --> 00:59:44,910
back to following villain bryan lee any

1213
00:59:48,799 --> 00:59:46,709
religion fall blindly lit with little

1214
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:48,809
reason or logic applied is the bane of

1215
00:59:58,609 --> 00:59:54,170
evolution mm-hmm yeah look back to

1216
01:00:02,209 --> 00:59:58,619
stem-cell research with President Bush

1217
01:00:05,329 --> 01:00:02,219
the younger and how they blocked

1218
01:00:08,089 --> 01:00:05,339
stem-cell research which you know we

1219
01:00:10,309 --> 01:00:08,099
found later actually helps people in a

1220
01:00:12,979 --> 01:00:10,319
lot of ways and that was not because he

1221
01:00:14,959 --> 01:00:12,989
was you know had a deep foundation on

1222
01:00:16,849 --> 01:00:14,969
what he believes in stem cell research

1223
01:00:20,719 --> 01:00:16,859
but it was a political religious thing

1224
01:00:23,599 --> 01:00:20,729
and you know when you use religion that

1225
01:00:26,839 --> 01:00:23,609
should be a kind of inspiring thing you

1226
01:00:30,349 --> 01:00:26,849
use it as a literal thing it can

1227
01:00:32,719 --> 01:00:30,359
diminish what you're trying to do you

1228
01:00:36,410 --> 01:00:32,729
know to help or expand healthcare

1229
01:00:38,410 --> 01:00:36,420
humanity so is there morality to a

1230
01:00:40,309 --> 01:00:38,420
Luciferian and if so what what is it

1231
01:00:43,699 --> 01:00:40,319
well yeah yeah there's definitely

1232
01:00:45,650 --> 01:00:43,709
morality you have to know that your

1233
01:00:48,589 --> 01:00:45,660
cause everything you do has a cause and

1234
01:00:52,579 --> 01:00:48,599
effect and you know so don't commit

1235
01:00:58,039 --> 01:00:52,589
crime you know take the steps to not go

1236
01:00:58,670 --> 01:00:58,049
down that road don't feed on your your

1237
01:01:01,309 --> 01:00:58,680
spouse

1238
01:01:04,069 --> 01:01:01,319
unless you're said that's something that

1239
01:01:07,579 --> 01:01:04,079
you guys do it has to be a thing don't

1240
01:01:10,699 --> 01:01:07,589
harm or do something bad against a

1241
01:01:12,349 --> 01:01:10,709
friend or a family member and you know

1242
01:01:15,859 --> 01:01:12,359
knowing that there are consequences to

1243
01:01:17,959 --> 01:01:15,869
that that your actions have results and

1244
01:01:18,650 --> 01:01:17,969
that you know having bad luck doesn't

1245
01:01:21,140 --> 01:01:18,660
really

1246
01:01:24,079 --> 01:01:21,150
exist in the sense of you just made a

1247
01:01:28,460 --> 01:01:24,089
lot of bad decisions and it's having a

1248
01:01:32,089 --> 01:01:28,470
result it sounds like luciferianism can

1249
01:01:35,539 --> 01:01:32,099
be summed up by the golden rule some

1250
01:01:37,519 --> 01:01:35,549
extent but it expands out further and it

1251
01:01:41,690 --> 01:01:37,529
depends what role you're in if you're in

1252
01:01:44,599 --> 01:01:41,700
a military role and you have a something

1253
01:01:46,819 --> 01:01:44,609
to do a mission then you know you do

1254
01:01:49,279 --> 01:01:46,829
that and you're not going to be a

1255
01:01:51,470 --> 01:01:49,289
pacifist but it depends on the

1256
01:01:54,380 --> 01:01:51,480
individual really but it's it's all

1257
01:01:56,180 --> 01:01:54,390
about knowing that you can shape your

1258
01:01:58,640 --> 01:01:56,190
future you're in control of this

1259
01:02:01,730 --> 01:01:58,650
experience this world to an extent so

1260
01:02:04,370 --> 01:02:01,740
make it useful and what would be an

1261
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:04,380
example under which you would say you

1262
01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:06,000
wouldn't necessarily follow the golden

1263
01:02:14,329 --> 01:02:10,529
rule well in the sense of war if you

1264
01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:14,339
were in fighting back in another country

1265
01:02:18,319 --> 01:02:16,650
you're gonna do what you have to do to

1266
01:02:20,599 --> 01:02:18,329
survive and to reach your mission if

1267
01:02:22,759 --> 01:02:20,609
that's your objective that's what you've

1268
01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:22,769
committed you you have to bear the

1269
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:24,690
results for them so self self-defense

1270
01:02:33,380 --> 01:02:31,170
self-defense and also not allowing guilt

1271
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:33,390
to infect you once you do something if

1272
01:02:38,299 --> 01:02:35,130
you feel bad about something apologize

1273
01:02:41,210 --> 01:02:38,309
and try not to do it again that's the

1274
01:02:43,730 --> 01:02:41,220
key so yeah it expands in that way but

1275
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:43,740
there are Lucifer ants who can do bad

1276
01:02:48,259 --> 01:02:45,930
things but they have to live with that

1277
01:02:51,890 --> 01:02:48,269
you know and what I mean by bad days is

1278
01:02:54,019 --> 01:02:51,900
you go too far and you know sometimes

1279
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:54,029
you let your emotions get out of you get

1280
01:02:57,710 --> 01:02:55,170
away from you

1281
01:03:01,329 --> 01:02:57,720
that's something that we try to reel in

1282
01:03:05,589 --> 01:03:01,339
as much as we can and think before we do

1283
01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:05,599
it is it a perfect perfect thing no and

1284
01:03:12,829 --> 01:03:08,730
there's no perfect Luciferians we all

1285
01:03:15,529 --> 01:03:12,839
strive in our own way you talk a lot in

1286
01:03:17,839 --> 01:03:15,539
the book about magic explain what you

1287
01:03:22,970 --> 01:03:17,849
mean by magic and and why do you spell

1288
01:03:27,049 --> 01:03:22,980
it with a K magic is from Aleister

1289
01:03:29,180 --> 01:03:27,059
Crowley who in his works really changed

1290
01:03:30,340 --> 01:03:29,190
modern occultism and how people looked

1291
01:03:33,190 --> 01:03:30,350
at magic

1292
01:03:36,310 --> 01:03:33,200
and for Luciferians magic is causing

1293
01:03:38,380 --> 01:03:36,320
change in accordance with the will so it

1294
01:03:40,410 --> 01:03:38,390
goes into what I call the tryout of the

1295
01:03:44,230 --> 01:03:40,420
morning sir that's liberation

1296
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:44,240
illumination apotheosis that is that

1297
01:03:49,540 --> 01:03:47,690
what you focus on and what you focus

1298
01:03:51,670 --> 01:03:49,550
your energies and your thoughts your

1299
01:03:54,190 --> 01:03:51,680
direction on your going to have a result

1300
01:03:56,620 --> 01:03:54,200
for that that is the process of magic

1301
01:03:59,170 --> 01:03:56,630
and it begins with Luciferian philosophy

1302
01:04:02,050 --> 01:03:59,180
just on a thought level doesn't involve

1303
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:02,060
ceremony or ritual or anything like that

1304
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:06,170
the ritualistic aspect later for those

1305
01:04:11,170 --> 01:04:08,810
that are inspired by that that are drawn

1306
01:04:13,900 --> 01:04:11,180
to that it's a type of psychodrama in a

1307
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:13,910
way of really utilizing their will

1308
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:16,970
desire belief towards enhancing that

1309
01:04:23,650 --> 01:04:19,370
experience but it's up to the person as

1310
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:23,660
to how they approach that and how do you

1311
01:04:29,110 --> 01:04:26,810
personally tap into that well I do it in

1312
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:29,120
two different ways the the kind of

1313
01:04:34,330 --> 01:04:31,850
origins for that I take a lot of the

1314
01:04:36,820 --> 01:04:34,340
translations from whatever I'm

1315
01:04:38,740 --> 01:04:36,830
researching at the time and I look at

1316
01:04:41,470 --> 01:04:38,750
different meanings and how that was

1317
01:04:44,020 --> 01:04:41,480
interpreted within that culture and then

1318
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:44,030
the modern type of how does this benefit

1319
01:04:49,390 --> 01:04:46,930
now how can I use now and then I

1320
01:04:51,460 --> 01:04:49,400
centralized a write based around that

1321
01:04:55,450 --> 01:04:51,470
and I use incense and I'll pour

1322
01:04:58,360 --> 01:04:55,460
libations in my personal practice but I

1323
01:05:00,880 --> 01:04:58,370
can also do things like doing physical

1324
01:05:03,790 --> 01:05:00,890
exercise while having a few phrase

1325
01:05:06,100 --> 01:05:03,800
within my mind focusing on that and that

1326
01:05:08,050 --> 01:05:06,110
type of activity is also a type of

1327
01:05:10,930 --> 01:05:08,060
ritual because it focuses and builds

1328
01:05:13,590 --> 01:05:10,940
energy so you know it's it's very

1329
01:05:17,860 --> 01:05:13,600
different in different ways that I do it

1330
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:17,870
lust and sex comes up quite a bit in the

1331
01:05:24,070 --> 01:05:21,370
book how to Luciferians look at sex

1332
01:05:25,690 --> 01:05:24,080
differently than others I don't know if

1333
01:05:29,410 --> 01:05:25,700
it's differently I think it's just

1334
01:05:32,500 --> 01:05:29,420
understanding who you are your your

1335
01:05:36,010 --> 01:05:32,510
natural desires those things that that

1336
01:05:39,310 --> 01:05:36,020
make you or that are within you and it

1337
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:39,320
has to be consensual and it has to be if

1338
01:05:43,630 --> 01:05:41,690
you do something it has to be involving

1339
01:05:49,050 --> 01:05:43,640
you know

1340
01:05:52,030 --> 01:05:49,060
your partner is very much a part of it

1341
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:52,040
and it's based on the individual the

1342
01:05:57,820 --> 01:05:55,610
individual has to do it as to how they

1343
01:06:00,750 --> 01:05:57,830
deem appropriate it's that there's not

1344
01:06:05,140 --> 01:06:00,760
one just setting or one just way to

1345
01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:05,150
approach sexuality Luciferians don't

1346
01:06:12,550 --> 01:06:07,250
have better sex and than others they

1347
01:06:16,150 --> 01:06:12,560
might they might well you know who would

1348
01:06:17,890 --> 01:06:16,160
I be to say to say that you know it's

1349
01:06:19,060 --> 01:06:17,900
part of the thing with the horns you've

1350
01:06:22,450 --> 01:06:19,070
got to figure it out for yourself

1351
01:06:25,420 --> 01:06:22,460
alright alright cool let me check in

1352
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:25,430
with Michael over here to see if there's

1353
01:06:33,610 --> 01:06:31,850
any lingering questions you got perhaps

1354
01:06:38,070 --> 01:06:33,620
this is too stereotypical but would you

1355
01:06:43,330 --> 01:06:38,080
invoke a rigid a ritual are you're

1356
01:06:48,490 --> 01:06:43,340
involved in a magical process explain

1357
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:48,500
the idea of demons or asking for their

1358
01:06:54,790 --> 01:06:51,970
assistance in fulfilling whatever

1359
01:06:55,900 --> 01:06:54,800
process you're trying to fulfill yeah

1360
01:06:58,120 --> 01:06:55,910
and maybe it made me start by just

1361
01:07:01,210 --> 01:06:58,130
answering what what is a daemon and why

1362
01:07:03,700 --> 01:07:01,220
is it spelled Amos at a demon well Damon

1363
01:07:05,830 --> 01:07:03,710
originally comes from ancient Greece and

1364
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:05,840
it relates to a spirit and also have

1365
01:07:11,770 --> 01:07:08,930
connections to a nature spirit but the

1366
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:11,780
daemon eventually became the genius of

1367
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:15,170
the individual something that that is in

1368
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:17,810
a way abstract it doesn't have it's

1369
01:07:22,900 --> 01:07:20,690
connected to each person in some ways we

1370
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:22,910
have our own personal daemon according

1371
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:24,530
to the ancient Greeks that's kind of

1372
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:27,530
your inspiration and your driving point

1373
01:07:31,210 --> 01:07:28,850
it doesn't necessarily have all your

1374
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:31,220
personality traits but it's kind of like

1375
01:07:36,790 --> 01:07:34,730
your self seemed in perpetual excellent

1376
01:07:39,390 --> 01:07:36,800
what you strive to you this is what I

1377
01:07:42,850 --> 01:07:39,400
want to become it's kind of a symbolic

1378
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:42,860
type thing so the daemon why it's

1379
01:07:50,860 --> 01:07:46,930
spelled da e and it's also spelled dai

1380
01:07:53,830 --> 01:07:50,870
mo N and that is because that relates to

1381
01:07:57,060 --> 01:07:53,840
a spirit ambivalent not necessarily good

1382
01:08:01,380 --> 01:07:57,070
or evil but they I use the term demon as

1383
01:08:04,170 --> 01:08:01,390
and ee mo n because that is in the sense

1384
01:08:06,690 --> 01:08:04,180
to the Christian evil version evil

1385
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:06,700
spirit but it comes in origin from

1386
01:08:13,470 --> 01:08:09,090
daemon which means an intelligence

1387
01:08:18,060 --> 01:08:13,480
relation to our psyche so I looked at

1388
01:08:20,250 --> 01:08:18,070
ancient like the Roman ruler cult and

1389
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:20,260
you look at the Hellenistic ruler called

1390
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:24,010
and they had traits that just were the

1391
01:08:28,500 --> 01:08:25,690
whole encompassing things very

1392
01:08:31,170 --> 01:08:28,510
Luciferian and it kind of encapsulated

1393
01:08:33,270 --> 01:08:31,180
all of that and it was that you take

1394
01:08:35,670 --> 01:08:33,280
that and put it to the individual so

1395
01:08:37,470 --> 01:08:35,680
instead of worshiping an emperor per his

1396
01:08:39,420 --> 01:08:37,480
genius as that's what they made

1397
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:39,430
offerings to it wasn't him it was his

1398
01:08:46,440 --> 01:08:42,730
genius the idea of excellence within

1399
01:08:48,750 --> 01:08:46,450
their their culture you take that put it

1400
01:08:51,300 --> 01:08:48,760
on the individual level that's what

1401
01:08:54,240 --> 01:08:51,310
you're striving to enhance yourself with

1402
01:08:58,290 --> 01:08:54,250
so it's not submission or bowing to any

1403
01:09:01,560 --> 01:08:58,300
deity or anything it's it's about making

1404
01:09:05,940 --> 01:09:01,570
yourself better invitations of specific

1405
01:09:08,310 --> 01:09:05,950
outside demons that is for the way of

1406
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:08,320
unlocking specific traits or knowledge

1407
01:09:13,470 --> 01:09:11,050
that you're trying to obtain for

1408
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:13,480
understanding and insight and once again

1409
01:09:19,650 --> 01:09:15,520
that's based on the person that applies

1410
01:09:21,599 --> 01:09:19,660
the ritualistic magic sense last

1411
01:09:23,579 --> 01:09:21,609
question I have I just check in my notes

1412
01:09:25,440 --> 01:09:23,589
remind me going back to the Bible that

1413
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:25,450
you said that that the Jews had been

1414
01:09:30,180 --> 01:09:27,850
slaves and they were let out of slavery

1415
01:09:35,010 --> 01:09:30,190
slavery but but really they came from a

1416
01:09:39,390 --> 01:09:35,020
slave mentality and hence the God that

1417
01:09:41,220 --> 01:09:39,400
they created was a God that was more

1418
01:09:44,099 --> 01:09:41,230
controlling of them is that am i putting

1419
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:44,109
that right explain that well to clarify

1420
01:09:50,220 --> 01:09:47,290
they were they were originally thought

1421
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:50,230
to be mercenaries they didn't really

1422
01:09:56,490 --> 01:09:52,690
have a set home but they some of them in

1423
01:09:57,090 --> 01:09:56,500
the shashi tribe honored and venerated

1424
01:09:59,240 --> 01:09:57,100
Yahweh

1425
01:10:03,750 --> 01:09:59,250
well they somehow became a part of

1426
01:10:07,359 --> 01:10:03,760
either slaves or tied to New Kingdom

1427
01:10:09,629 --> 01:10:07,369
Egypt somehow and Middle Kingdom

1428
01:10:12,430 --> 01:10:09,639
and once they obtained their liberation

1429
01:10:15,359 --> 01:10:12,440
went out and forged their own place

1430
01:10:17,919 --> 01:10:15,369
within this neighboring area of

1431
01:10:19,959 --> 01:10:17,929
extremely violent tribes towards them

1432
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:19,969
because they were invading their lands

1433
01:10:26,169 --> 01:10:22,449
so yeah they were they were hostile and

1434
01:10:27,790 --> 01:10:26,179
so when they had their religions ideas

1435
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:27,800
you see it with Moses he didn't want

1436
01:10:35,500 --> 01:10:31,330
them dealing with bowel of pure or

1437
01:10:38,260 --> 01:10:35,510
Moloch or any of these others and they

1438
01:10:40,359 --> 01:10:38,270
wanted them to be under his that one

1439
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:40,369
banner of Yahweh and that's something

1440
01:10:47,229 --> 01:10:42,080
the priests had used to keep their

1441
01:10:50,350 --> 01:10:47,239
people within their own ties and kind of

1442
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:50,360
control and it's probably a survival

1443
01:10:58,060 --> 01:10:53,330
technique or something that they they

1444
01:11:01,270 --> 01:10:58,070
did that survival their culture so in

1445
01:11:03,970 --> 01:11:01,280
doing that they become very isolated in

1446
01:11:07,930 --> 01:11:03,980
a sense from other religions and it

1447
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:07,940
wasn't around until Herod the Great who

1448
01:11:15,790 --> 01:11:10,489
was a Roman and Hellenistic kind of

1449
01:11:17,260 --> 01:11:15,800
client King an Ida Mian who became their

1450
01:11:21,180 --> 01:11:17,270
King and they still didn't like him

1451
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:21,190
because he understood the value of

1452
01:11:26,620 --> 01:11:24,080
different deities and within his

1453
01:11:30,459 --> 01:11:26,630
relation to the Roman Empire

1454
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:30,469
and then ultimately the Christians kind

1455
01:11:35,919 --> 01:11:32,810
of did the same thing with it with the

1456
01:11:38,110 --> 01:11:35,929
God when the Roman Christians yeah they

1457
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:38,120
did and later on and you see it

1458
01:11:43,810 --> 01:11:39,770
throughout the ages even through the

1459
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:43,820
Crusades they take away the today the

1460
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:47,690
Hebrew God and then after they take it

1461
01:11:53,490 --> 01:11:49,730
they tell the people that it came from

1462
01:11:56,709 --> 01:11:53,500
that they're wrong and found ways to

1463
01:11:59,610 --> 01:11:56,719
subjugate them and we see that like with

1464
01:12:02,290 --> 01:11:59,620
the revolts and things like that so

1465
01:12:06,580 --> 01:12:02,300
Christianity was then used to turn on

1466
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:06,590
Jews to you know a great extent and

1467
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:08,810
villainize them and in the Middle Ages

1468
01:12:15,540 --> 01:12:10,960
they associated with them with the devil

1469
01:12:18,689 --> 01:12:15,550
and just for political or monetary gain

1470
01:12:21,399 --> 01:12:18,699
which is unfortunate but it's the way

1471
01:12:22,810 --> 01:12:21,409
and then I'm not sure if I understood

1472
01:12:24,310 --> 01:12:22,820
your book correctly but you refer to

1473
01:12:26,110 --> 01:12:24,320
world war two and essentially the

1474
01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:26,120
Holocaust and and the horrendous thing

1475
01:12:31,689 --> 01:12:27,920
that happened to the Jews is it your

1476
01:12:35,290 --> 01:12:31,699
belief that part of that was the failure

1477
01:12:36,910 --> 01:12:35,300
of the Jews to fight back and because

1478
01:12:38,709 --> 01:12:36,920
the Bible doesn't teach them to fight

1479
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:38,719
back I think it's two things well they

1480
01:12:42,250 --> 01:12:40,370
did fight back in the Maccabee in

1481
01:12:44,110 --> 01:12:42,260
revolts and different things and now

1482
01:12:46,450 --> 01:12:44,120
they're one of the greatest military

1483
01:12:49,899 --> 01:12:46,460
forces in the region that they're in but

1484
01:12:52,780 --> 01:12:49,909
way back I think it comes to the fact

1485
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:52,790
that Christian Christianity and

1486
01:12:57,750 --> 01:12:55,130
different religions of that ilk

1487
01:13:01,990 --> 01:12:57,760
throughout Europe villainized

1488
01:13:04,660 --> 01:13:02,000
the Jews early on and it kept up to

1489
01:13:06,879 --> 01:13:04,670
where they were always the outsiders and

1490
01:13:10,270 --> 01:13:06,889
if they were successful to anything then

1491
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:10,280
they were just plain villains and I

1492
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:14,449
think when Hitler took power they took a

1493
01:13:20,649 --> 01:13:17,210
consensus among just the like people's

1494
01:13:24,700 --> 01:13:20,659
opinion and they used it to subjugate

1495
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:24,710
and just try to destroy a whole race of

1496
01:13:30,250 --> 01:13:27,650
people in a religion of people and I

1497
01:13:34,180 --> 01:13:30,260
think that is kind of an extreme turn up

1498
01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:34,190
of how Christianity can and has behaved

1499
01:13:38,570 --> 01:13:36,770
in the past and other monotheistic

1500
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:38,580
religions

1501
01:13:43,850 --> 01:13:41,010
so yeah I think it's it's they didn't

1502
01:13:45,710 --> 01:13:43,860
fight back at a pivotal you know a time

1503
01:13:51,080 --> 01:13:45,720
when they should have perhaps I don't

1504
01:13:55,720 --> 01:13:51,090
know but also in how they were viewed

1505
01:13:58,880 --> 01:13:55,730
and then using that against them right

1506
01:14:00,800 --> 01:13:58,890
awesome well that was a great history

1507
01:14:02,660 --> 01:14:00,810
lesson among other things I know you've

1508
01:14:05,030 --> 01:14:02,670
got some rituals there's probably

1509
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:05,040
something you need to go burn right now

1510
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:11,040
call Lord Satan how many people are in

1511
01:14:18,230 --> 01:14:14,850
your church you go to church well

1512
01:14:21,770 --> 01:14:18,240
originally we did but it was met more as

1513
01:14:23,390 --> 01:14:21,780
a philosophy gathering point and now

1514
01:14:27,170 --> 01:14:23,400
it's like that's a great question would

1515
01:14:29,810 --> 01:14:27,180
you call luciferianism a religion more

1516
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:29,820
philosophy than a religion at this point

1517
01:14:34,670 --> 01:14:32,370
and and because religion dictates if

1518
01:14:37,670 --> 01:14:34,680
there was a dogma sociated with it and

1519
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:37,680
there's not a dogma it's a philosophy

1520
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:40,650
yeah you want to be anti religion for

1521
01:14:45,530 --> 01:14:42,330
the most part because that seems to fit

1522
01:14:48,350 --> 01:14:45,540
more with the philosophy yeah and we've

1523
01:14:50,690 --> 01:14:48,360
switched you know we have the assembly

1524
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:50,700
of libraries which it's only purpose is

1525
01:14:55,130 --> 01:14:52,650
to be an information kind of information

1526
01:14:56,570 --> 01:14:55,140
hub on the basics of Lucifer and that's

1527
01:14:58,660 --> 01:14:56,580
what I'm talking about the Assembly of

1528
01:15:02,450 --> 01:14:58,670
light bearers now that's a good name

1529
01:15:04,430 --> 01:15:02,460
yeah well you know so the idea of

1530
01:15:08,300 --> 01:15:04,440
Lucifer and greater church of Lucifer

1531
01:15:10,940 --> 01:15:08,310
and all that that wasn't my design that

1532
01:15:13,940 --> 01:15:10,950
was something that was already being set

1533
01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:13,950
up and that we guided and that I kind of

1534
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:16,050
directed because they were using my

1535
01:15:22,820 --> 01:15:19,530
works anyway so I decided we made a

1536
01:15:25,010 --> 01:15:22,830
decision and the co people to guide it

1537
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:25,020
in the way that it went it was a good

1538
01:15:30,050 --> 01:15:27,690
experience but after a year I was clear

1539
01:15:31,940 --> 01:15:30,060
to understand that it has to be

1540
01:15:35,330 --> 01:15:31,950
something that just presents the

1541
01:15:38,540 --> 01:15:35,340
philosophy you know because then you

1542
01:15:40,010 --> 01:15:38,550
have to go from there all right well I'm

1543
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:40,020
glad you clarified that Epstein was on

1544
01:15:45,710 --> 01:15:42,810
Luciferian no he's not no we don't we

1545
01:15:47,150 --> 01:15:45,720
don't know him Oh

1546
01:15:48,830 --> 01:15:47,160
Michael before he let you go is

1547
01:15:51,410 --> 01:15:48,840
insisting on one less question I just

1548
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:51,420
have one question are there people

1549
01:15:58,550 --> 01:15:56,370
of of notoriety or influence that

1550
01:16:01,580 --> 01:15:58,560
portray themselves as Christians when in

1551
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:01,590
fact they are loose Luciferian and why

1552
01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:04,290
do we hear stories that at Bohemian

1553
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:07,650
Grove there is a very large statue of

1554
01:16:14,900 --> 01:16:09,890
Moloch what is what does this all mean

1555
01:16:18,470 --> 01:16:14,910
well obviously I can't talk about the

1556
01:16:20,150 --> 01:16:18,480
specifics on who might be Luciferian or

1557
01:16:23,630 --> 01:16:20,160
who might not be and how they portray

1558
01:16:27,229 --> 01:16:23,640
themselves but because to do that would

1559
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:27,239
be just it's just not right but I can

1560
01:16:33,500 --> 01:16:31,530
say that there probably are a good

1561
01:16:37,700 --> 01:16:33,510
number of certain people who are

1562
01:16:39,350 --> 01:16:37,710
Luciferian in philosophy who have

1563
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:39,360
different roles in life to where they

1564
01:16:44,150 --> 01:16:42,810
can't be open about that but Moloch you

1565
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:44,160
know you've got to understand the statue

1566
01:16:51,140 --> 01:16:48,449
that God Moloch was a villain it was

1567
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:51,150
really a villainous act to say that you

1568
01:16:56,810 --> 01:16:53,520
burnt children to him because all it was

1569
01:16:58,700 --> 01:16:56,820
was a baptism the actual wording of how

1570
01:17:01,750 --> 01:16:58,710
they passed through the fire was a type

1571
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:01,760
of baptism they did in that region and

1572
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:05,130
of course the cult of Yahweh did not

1573
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:08,489
like that so he became this burning dog

1574
01:17:12,380 --> 01:17:10,320
but it was also a deity of the

1575
01:17:15,650 --> 01:17:12,390
underworld which related to the

1576
01:17:18,919 --> 01:17:15,660
ancestral renewal the ancestral spirit

1577
01:17:21,169 --> 01:17:18,929
so it's it's not a burning evil God if

1578
01:17:24,590 --> 01:17:21,179
there was indeed a statue of Moloch

1579
01:17:26,060 --> 01:17:24,600
somewhere so but you're saying also

1580
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:26,070
though is regarding the first part of

1581
01:17:30,290 --> 01:17:27,330
his question is that there are

1582
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:30,300
Luciferians that are in the closet yeah

1583
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:33,449
and but based on our discussion today

1584
01:17:39,740 --> 01:17:36,090
frankly there should be no shame

1585
01:17:41,660 --> 01:17:39,750
associated with being Luciferian no it's

1586
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:41,670
it's an understanding that you know

1587
01:17:46,580 --> 01:17:43,770
embracing the concept of the adversary

1588
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:46,590
means that you challenge and and you

1589
01:17:51,760 --> 01:17:48,719
kind of motivate things by your own

1590
01:17:55,490 --> 01:17:51,770
design and and it's not a mass or

1591
01:17:57,410 --> 01:17:55,500
majority type of philosophy it's often

1592
01:17:58,569 --> 01:17:57,420
for people that lead and whatever they

1593
01:18:01,180 --> 01:17:58,579
do

1594
01:18:03,250 --> 01:18:01,190
all right well hopefully we've reduced

1595
01:18:05,200 --> 01:18:03,260
the stigma and Luciferians will be will

1596
01:18:08,140 --> 01:18:05,210
start coming out of the closet maybe

1597
01:18:11,610 --> 01:18:08,150
maybe they will I don't know thank you